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MARK COLVIN: There's been high praise for Malcolm Turnbull today, from a most unlikely quarter.
The official historian of the British Security Service, MI5, says Turnbull's "brilliant" handling of the defence case in the Spycatcher trial was the catalyst for much needed intelligence reforms.
In 1986 Mr Turnbull was the counsel for Peter Wright, a former MI5 officer.
The British Government was trying to prevent the publication of Mr Wright's book, Spycatcher. The book alleged that the former head of MI5 Sir Roger Hollis had been a KGB agent.
That gave the story an extra Australian dimension because Sir Roger Hollis was one of the people instrumental in setting up the Australian intelligence service ASIO in the '50s.
Now the intelligence historian professor Christopher Andrew who was given access to 400,000 MI5 files in the course of several years' work on his official history of the service says he's proved conclusively that Sir Roger was not a double agent and that Peter Wright was misguided at best.
He spoke to me from London.
CHRISTOPHER ANDREW: Sir Roger Hollis was not merely not a Soviet agent, he was one of the people who would least likely to have been a Soviet agent in the whole of MI5.
What had simply happened is that Peter Wright, after a fairly competent early career became embittered. He became a conspiracy theorist. He got it into his head that Hollis was guilty.
And as my book shows he actually went to the extent of manufacturing evidence against him. He no doubt felt that it was in the right cause.
But if you look at the records – and he could have looked at the records but he either did and paid no attention to them or didn't look at them - it's actually Hollis during the Second World War who is a Cold War warrior before there is a Cold War. And what he's doing cannot be interpreted as cover.
He is the man who more than anybody else is, in the MI5 leadership is arguing, look, we mustn't stop keeping track of what the Russians are up to. We mustn't stop keeping track of the names and other details of members of the British Communist Party.
So he's completely innocent. But Peter Wright, Peter Wright was a tremendous fraud. Whatever evidence he got hold of, once he became obsessed by the belief that Sir Roger Hollis was working for the KGB he would just twist it to his own purposes.
As it all ends up; it's one of those cases it seems to me in which you know, nobody comes out of it, at least in Britain, with credit.
Her Majesty's government has never made a bigger fool of itself in Australia than dealing with the Spycatcher trial in 1987. No, I think retired British intelligence officer has ever produced such a preposterous account of British intelligence history as Peter Wright. It was an extraordinary farce.
MARK COLVIN: There was a man in the American intelligence system called James Jesus Angleton who became so obsessed with the idea of bluff, double bluff, triple bluff and so forth that he got lost in, the phrase was "a wilderness of mirrors". Was Wright like that?
CHRISTOPHER ANDREW: Oh absolutely. One of the worst things that can happen to any intelligence service is to have a conspiracy theorist. The damage that they can do is simply enormous because of course it's extremely disruptive of what is going on within that service.
It's also extremely disruptive of relations with intelligence allies. So you know particular humiliation for Harold Macmillan at the very time when he's attempting to form a special relationship, which surprisingly he did, with the young and dynamic president of the United States John F. Kennedy.
He has to tell Kennedy that Hollis' deputy who fell under suspicion before Hollis, Graham Mitchell, is being investigated on suspicion of being a Soviet agent.
Now there are not many greater humiliations I think than can happen to a British prime minister in intelligence relationships with other powers than that.
MARK COLVIN: And back on the Spycatcher trial. As you know the man who defended Peter Wright's right to publish is now the Leader of the Opposition in Australia. Was Malcolm Turnbull right to do what he did?
CHRISTOPHER ANDREW: Well Malcolm Turnbull was representing his client and he did an absolutely brilliant job, which included the public humiliation of Sir Robert Armstrong, the British cabinet secretary.
In fact Sir Robert Armstrong is an extremely able individual but you remember he was given an absolutely impossible brief. And Malcolm Turnbull tore it apart at the age of, what was he at the time, 29? Anyway, very young...
MARK COLVIN: Thirty-two I think.
CHRISTOPHER ANDREW: With extraordinary forensic skill. I mean anybody who paid attention to the trial as I did at the time, it was perfectly clear that Turnbull had an exceptional career ahead of him in some way.
I remember questions went a bit like this. I mean one of the absurdities at the time was that even though everybody knew that Britain had a foreign intelligence service, SIS, you weren't, government officials were not allowed to admit it.
Australian government officials were of course allowed to admit that ASIS was around. So Turnbull put this point to poor Sir Robert Armstrong and Robert Armstrong refused to acknowledge that SIS existed.
He then went on to, Turnbull then went on to point out to Sir Robert Armstrong that he'd already admitted that Sir Dick White had been head of SIS, the British SIS for over a decade, at which point Sir Robert Armstrong was forced to reply, "Oh well, I can't admit that SIS existed before Dick White became its head and I can't admit it existed after Dick White became its head."
So you know I don't think that British senior officialdom has ever suffered or is ever likely to suffer such humiliation as it suffered at the hands of Malcolm Turnbull in the New South Wales Supreme Court.
MARK COLVIN: What lessons did it learn?
CHRISTOPHER ANDREW: What lessons it learnt is that it couldn't possibly go on like that.
One of the things that we tend to forget nowadays is that MI5, of which of course Peter Wright had been a rogue member, didn't even have a clear statutory basis. So in 1989 the Security Service Act is passed and ever since then MI5 has been governed by statute.
Then secondly, I mean even though it's been a long and winding path I think that there was a gradual realisation that the only alternative to having nonsense history of the kind that Peter Wright was peddling was to allow for the publication of reasonably reliable history.
So in 1997 exactly a decade after the Spycatcher trial MI5 started releasing its earliest records and nowadays it has something like an informal 50-year rule for most of its records.
And then of course five, six years later it decided on the publication of an authorised history getting in an outside historian - that's me - giving me virtually unrestricted access to its archives.
Not of course giving me the right to publish all of them but I did have access to virtually all of them and celebrating its hundredth birthday with a history of its first hundred years.
I, even though I have a very, very low opinion of Peter Wright to be honest, he did me a favour. In other words if it hadn't been for his nonsense history of MI5 I might not have got the opportunity to write what I hope is a reasonably reliable history of MI5.
MARK COLVIN: Professor Christopher Andrew of Cambridge University, whose book is The Defence of the Realm: The Authorised History of MI5.
And for those with an interest in espionage and the Australian history of the 1950s there will be a 20-minute version of that interview on our website tonight focussing on the defection of Vladimir and Evdokia Petrov as well as the Spycatcher trial.
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OFFICIALS from the Indonesian National Police and Indonesian Immigration spent more than four hours inside Christmas Island's immigration detention centre yesterday as ASIO, Customs and the Rudd government's new immigration advisory group met on the island for talks.
The visit, the first by an Indonesian delegation since the Rudd government began detaining people at the $400 million centre last December, is part of a push by Australian Federal Police for enhanced regional co-operation on the issues of asylum-seekers and people-smuggling.
They were also taken aboard the HMAS Larrakia in Flying Fish Cove and will continue their tour today amid the standoff between 78 asylum-seekers aboard the Australian Customs vessel Oceanic Viking, moored off the Indonesian coast, and local authorities.
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship described the visit as one of several to Christmas Island by a range of government and community stakeholders.
People-smuggling was an important regional issue and any sound and lasting solutions probably would come through enhanced regional co-operation, a departmental spokesman said.
"The government will continue to work closely and co-operatively with our regional partners in the fight against people-smuggling."
